Refund?

WestfW
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Re: Refund?

Post by WestfW » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:42 am

wondering if Digilent is actually supporting this product at all.
Arduino is, to a large extent "community supported open source software", and I imagine that chipkit is trying to follow on in those footsteps. Neither the chipkit team, nor the arduino team is big enough to provide the level of support you seem to expect. So perhaps you'll need to look for a different product (at a different price.)

Or stop whining and start helping. You don't need to be able to actually FIX bugs in complex library code to help; merely creating a good bug report at the github site. The more information, the better, but pretty much anything is better than "hardly anything works."

I guess a lot of the Arduino community experts are off working on the actual arduino code, where there is no shortage of bugs either, and the impact and glory are better.

(I am in no way officially associated with microchip, digilent, or fubar. I am only peripherally associated with Arduino... These are my personal opinions.)

micronut
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Re: Refund?

Post by micronut » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:41 am

I totally agree with WestfW. Half the success of a electronic platform is its community. I frequent Parallax's Propeller forum where forum members write documents for things they feel lacking, have a very diverse code repository, and many have built and sold custom boards to fill many needs. The Uno32 and Max32 could be as successful if the community gets involved.

Sleepwalker
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Re: Refund?

Post by Sleepwalker » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:29 am

In their defence, it does appear that some changes have been made in the last month, the last 20 July according to the info on GitHub https : // github. com /chipKIT32/chipKIT32-MAX

sorry, I can't post the actual URL as it complains I'm being "Spamy" <sigh> You'll have to figure the above URL yourself.
Note sure of the extent of these though. There is another post on the chipkit org board that says to check that GitHub link for updates and changes.

I'm not clear on whether the software development (or conversion from Arduino as the case may be) is actually a commercially developed/sponsored thing by Digilent or whether it's just a bunch of volunteers - I haven't seen anything that specifically says either way, but Digilent certainly promote it as if they are developing it (albeit Open-Source). Actually, they promote it that it has already been developed to the level of Arduino and I think that's what people here are a bit disappointed by. It does seem to be coming along slowly, but I expected a well rounded software product from what was advertised.

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Re: Refund?

Post by WestfW » Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:27 pm

developed to the level of Arduino and I think that's what people here are a bit disappointed
"To the level of Arduino" is pretty ambiguous. I'm pretty happy that the core arduino functions are supported; that's further than most would-be-arduino-competitors have gotten. Supporting (or providing equivalents to) the include arduino libraries is an obvious next level, especially since many of them are not very stable even on the AVR side. Supporting all Nth party libraries that happen to have been written is "obviously impossible."

Sleepwalker
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Re: Refund?

Post by Sleepwalker » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:56 pm

Yes, that's fine, I'm not expecting it to have everything that everybody has made for an Arduino, I'm simply talking about what it states or implies in the Advertising.

As I said before, I'm not knocking the thing or the concept *ONLY* the fact that it advertises something that it is not (at least not yet). If they said "About 40% compatible and we are working to make it 99% by 2012", then I wouldn't have an issue, but that isn't that case. The other people in this thread aren't "Whining" about nothing, they are complaining because they bought it based on what it claimed and, at least at the moment, it doesn't actually meet what Digilent claim.

Perhaps you're missing that point, it's not the product or even the software they are complaining about, it's that it isn't (yet) what it claims and they aren't being reassured that it will.

There are various areas in the advertising where it heavily implies compatibility and the actual wording in one portion of the advertising is "Compatible with existing Arduino code examples, reference materials and other resources". That to me says if I get 99% of standard Arduino code examples and reference material (presumably tutorials and the like) it will work, and most other resources should also work.

I feel I'm probably a lot less critical than some who brought up points in this thread, but I believe they have a good point - The plain fact is that if you look at the list on the wiki, there are many things not working or with problems -eg. Ethernet, Firmata, Servo, Time, One_wire and various others with problems - Eg. I2C ('Semi OK'), SD ('Unknown').
There are other issues raised in other posts on this forum too.

The comment that it's "further than most would-be-Arduino-competitors have gotten" is subjective, obviously some people will place the worth of one library higher than another, but Pinguino seem to have a lot of libraries working. Having said that, I don't want to start up the debate of who is better, because I prefer the chipkit myself, at least for my current needs.


Again, I'm not knocking the software, the hardware or the concept or the efforts of the programmers, I feel this will be a great platform, if and when they get the main libraries finished off and the bugs ironed out, but they should just be upfront (in the advertising) about where it is at now and be clear abut what they intend and then we can make our decisions based on that before buying and nobody would have grounds for complaint. :)

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Re: Refund?

Post by svofski » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:18 pm

When I just received the board, I tried a few examples and they worked like I expected. I can't really get in the pants of a typical person who buys an Arduino, but I don't think that the product deserves the bashing it gets here.

It's a kind of a product for which it's rather hard to draw the line between "almost ready" and "ready". The original Arduino is probably never going to be "ready" either, it's just the community there is much larger and the problems tend to get more attention. Since I'm not the type who calls "Arduino" a "microcontroller", it's hard for me to understand how someone could expect for real 100% compatibility of all libraries on a completely different device. That just too naiive.

Actually, it can never be ready because there will always be someone who needs library X which hasn't yet been ported. If, by some freaky accident, this board becomes so popular that useful original libraries will be written for it, there will be complaints on the original Arduino forums claiming that Arduino is not 100% compatible because that XXX library for ChipKIT is not working.

"About 40% compatible and we are working to make it 99% by 2012" is just not something you write on a product packaging :D

elproducts
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Re: Refund?

Post by elproducts » Thu Sep 08, 2011 7:56 pm

So if I understand correctly.
The Pinquino can be used as a chipKIT compiler.
For example,
If I have a working design based on chipKIT and some shields, I can then use the Pinquino environment to convert the sketich into a pure .hex file that can be programmed into a custom PIC32 based board with your bootloader installed that has all my shield connection layed out a one circuit?

Darth Maker
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Re: Refund?

Post by Darth Maker » Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:26 am

svofski wrote:When I just received the board, I tried a few examples and they worked like I expected. I can't really get in the pants of a typical person who buys an Arduino, but I don't think that the product deserves the bashing it gets here.
I will admit to having done a bit of bashing. You mostly stated my main problem with the board. It is advertised as 100% compatible with Arduino, which is not only currently a lie, but also cannot ever be realized (with this hardware), as the Arduino boards are generally 5V devices, and no low-level code will ever work on both.

It even more of a sore spot for me because I know someone who bought one expecting it to be very easy, and ChipKITs don't even have a Getting Started guide. He had never programmed and Arduino, but knew (partially from me) that Arduinos are easy, and thus expected a "100%" compatible device to be equally so.

I actually like the hardware, for what it is. But the software support is lacking. Obviously this can't be fixed in a short amount of time by just a couple people.

Regis, while I enjoy learning about the different available Arduino-like boards, I find it out of taste to advertise that way on this forum.

Perhaps the Pingduino Servo library could be used for ChipKIT?

davec
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Re: Refund?

Post by davec » Fri Sep 09, 2011 10:19 am

Darth Maker wrote:Perhaps the Pingduino Servo library could be used for ChipKIT?
We actually have two working servo libraries for ChipKit now, Servo (officially part of the build as of MPIDE version 20110822) and SoftPWMServo (user-contributed). So, these things take time but they are improving.

Toley
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Re: Refund?

Post by Toley » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:34 am

Hi Mr-Fixit, did you finally been refund ?
I don't want to bash the Chipkit32 team but we must admit that the promises are still not delivered. Building and selling hardware is 1 thing but providing the software to support is another one. And an unhappy customer should be refund without any questions.

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